PODCAST | SEASON 3 | EPISODE 18

The Fifth Industrial Revolution: How AI Will Reshape Work and Society with Dan Sodergren

Discover how AI can empower, not replace, humans - and reshape the future of work.

About our guest

Dan Sodergren is a futurist, keynote speaker, and media commentator specialising in artificial intelligence, the future of work, and technology’s role in shaping society. With appearances on the BBC, Channel 4, and numerous podcasts, Dan is known for making complex tech trends accessible and engaging. A passionate advocate for ethical AI and human-centred innovation, he is also co-founder of Your FLOCK, a values-based people platform using AI to improve workplace culture.

Dan’s mission is to help businesses and individuals understand and embrace the seismic changes brought by what he calls the fifth industrial revolution, a shift that could free us from repetitive work and allow us to become more emotionally intelligent, creative, and purpose-driven.

This Episode Covers

  • From Gaming to AI: How Dan’s early passion for computer games led him into the world of artificial intelligence.

  • Automated Interns, Not Terminators: Why he describes AI as “automated interns” and how that mindset makes it less scary and more useful.

  • Beyond ChatGPT: A practical guide to using multiple AI tools (ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, and more) to get the best results.

  • The 3% Rule: Why only a small fraction of users pay for AI, what that means for data privacy, and why “free” often comes at a cost.

  • The Future of Work: Why many current jobs may disappear, how AI could make us more productive, and why emotional intelligence and creativity will matter more than ever.

  • Therapy, but Not Really: The dangers of relying on AI as a companion or therapist, and why human relationships and mental health support remain essential.

  • A Beautiful Business Future: Dan’s vision of a world where AI frees us to be better parents, better colleagues, and better humans - where businesses measure success not just in profit, but in social and environmental impact.

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